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mmarkoe Posted: Mon, Jul 21 2008 9:01 PM

Windows® Speech Recognition in the Microsoft Vista operating system is absolutely free. Up until now it has lacked many of the features taken for granted by users of Dragon NaturallySpeaking. We previewed the Windows™ Speech Recognition macro builder several weeks ago and got great feedback and reviews. Since then we have made a few additions.

It has been renamed "Windows™ Speech Recognition Toolkit" as it is now more than just a macro builder. Here's a list of features:

  1. Text Macros
  2. Command Macros (step by step)
  3. Macro Editor window for editing or creating script macros
  4. Train From Text' allows you to select the text of your choosing and read it to train the 'Acoustic Model' of your speech profile
  5. Add To Dictionary provides an easy way to add words or phrases to your personal speech dictionary
  6. Add From File' parses MS-Word and Text documents of your choosing for increased dictation accuracy
  7. The Transcription module reads in your wave (.WAV) file and transcribes it to text.

The free download is good through July 31st. Once installed, you'll find a comprehensive User's Manual in PDF format, complete with screenshots and step-by-step instructions for each of the above functions.

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KnowBrainer replied on Mon, Jul 21 2008 10:17 PM

Although we can appreciate your enthusiasm and the free Vista speech engine’s accuracy for occasional non-serious dictation or consumer quality speech recognition use, it simply doesn't compare to NaturallySpeaking Medical 9.5 which is the only speech recognition product that is designed for professional/serious medical dictation, transcription or professional work and we customer satisfaction 30 day no restock fee moneyback guarantee it.

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mmarkoe replied on Tue, Jul 22 2008 11:45 AM

KnowBrainer:
Although we can appreciate your enthusiasm and the free Vista speech engine’s accuracy for occasional non-serious dictation or consumer quality speech recognition use, it simply doesn't compare to NaturallySpeaking Medical 9.5

We know KnowBrainer means well, but the point of the new Toolkit is that it adds many of the features of Dragon. Windows™ Speech Recognition is free in the Vista operating system. If one does not have Dragon NaturallySpeaking or if one just wishes to try speech recognition in Vista it does not take much effort. Using our new tools, a physician can easily add typical documents to improve the acoustic model or add and train words from their specialty. Much medical terminology is already in the backup dictionary of Windows Speech Recognition in the Vista operating system and just needs to be brought to the active vocabulary by general usage and using our toolkit.

Martin Markoe, eMicrophones, Inc.
see us at:
http://www.myMSspeech.com (for products specifically geared to Windows speech recognition)
http://www.eMicrophones.com (for speech recognition microphones as well as conferencing microphones)

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KnowBrainer replied on Tue, Jul 22 2008 12:53 PM

We would agree that some medical terminology is available in the Vista back up dictionary but the same is also true for the NaturallySpeaking backup dictionary and even the active dictionary but it falls very short of being a proper medical language model. With emicrophones not being licensed or certified by Nuance, they are not privy to a good deal of the internal workings of the company and their products but there is much more to language modeling then a simple vocabulary; a common misconception. NaturallySpeaking Medical includes professional language modeling which besides having a lot of additional vocabulary, includes commonly used medical phrases and additionally takes advantage of the Written Form/Spoken Form; such is the case of acronyms. A REAL language model can make NaturallySpeaking up to 20% more accurate and who has time to correct 3 times as many errors?

There's nothing wrong with free and we welcome everyone to try out the Vista speech engine but if you're serious about medical dictation being done in a timely matter, the Vista speech engine is not likely to be a good speech recognition choice. If it was, we wouldn't be #1 in sales for NaturallySpeaking Professional.

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mmarkoe replied on Sun, Jul 27 2008 9:23 PM

KnowBrainer:
Although we can appreciate your enthusiasm and the free Vista speech engine’s accuracy for occasional non-serious dictation or consumer quality speech recognition use, it simply doesn't compare to NaturallySpeaking Medical 9.5 which is the only speech recognition product that is designed for professional/serious medical dictation, transcription or professional work and we customer satisfaction 30 day no restock fee moneyback guarantee it.
On KnowBrainer's own forum in the thread at:
http://www.knowbrainer.com/PubForum/index.cfm?page=viewForumTopic&topicId=4360&listFull

Posted : Friday 06/20/2008 10:33 PM KnowBrainer wrote:

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KnowBrainer won't be free for Windows Vista users other than for current NaturallySpeaking/KnowBrainer customers. It would be hard to justify giving away KnowBrainer to WSR users when we are paying a programmer a fairly high salary to work full-time for us. "

Considering you are supposedly paying a lot of money for the 10,000 plus KnowBrainer commands to be programmed for Windows Vista (although Windows Speech Recognition has better command and control than Dragon), we are surprised you are putting down our expertise and our Windows Speech Recognition Toolkit that includes most of the features of Dragon.

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KnowBrainer replied on Mon, Jul 28 2008 10:58 AM

We are not putting down your toolkit or your “expertise” per se. It was your recommendation that physicians consider using the Vista speech engine that we disagree with. Vista is fine for consumers but it's not well suited to professionals and is especially ill suited to the medical community. What we were talking about is accuracy and vocabulary; not commands. We are not recommending against your toolkit but rather against the use of the VSR (Vista speech recognition) in the medical profession because NaturallySpeaking Medical 9 out-of-the-box accuracy should be about 20% higher than the Vista speech engine and Ver. 10, which will be even more accurate, will be coming out in early to mid September. The medical profession shouldn't consider VSR and we 100% customer satisfaction guarantee everything we sell, including software, 32 days from the purchase date. Feel free to compare the 2 products.

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martalli replied on Mon, Jul 28 2008 11:24 AM

If you are both offering free trials, then providers can just try them both out and decide for themselves.

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mmarkoe replied on Mon, Jul 28 2008 11:43 AM

martalli:
If you are both offering free trials, then providers can just try them both out and decide for themselves.

Click Here for the free trial (good until August 31st) of the Windows Speech Recognition Toolkit.

 

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mmarkoe replied on Mon, Jul 28 2008 11:52 AM

KnowBrainer:
Vista is fine for consumers but it's not well suited to professionals and is especially ill suited to the medical community. What we were talking about is accuracy and vocabulary; not commands.

Hmm??? Microsoft who guided and assisted with the WSR Toolkit development told us their research shows there are over 1 million professional users of Windows™ Speech Recognition in the Vista operating system. Our testing for accuracy on standard text from the New York Times shows Windows™ Speech Recognition as built into the Vista operating system to be as accurate as Dragon NaturallySpeaking.

We do not necessarily disagree "per se" with your statements as relates to using Dragon Medical. However, generalities are often wrong and dangerous to the verbalizer as they can come back to bite them at a later date. Certain medical specialties can easily benefit now, for example orthopedics, as they do not use extensive medical terminology, chemistry, and pharmacology. Also, it will not be long before there are medical vocabularies for Speech Recognition in the Vista operating system.

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KnowBrainer replied on Mon, Jul 28 2008 2:33 PM

If you are both offering free trials, then providers can just try them both out and decide for themselves.


NaturallySpeaking is professional speech recognition software and as with nearly all professional software products, does not include a trial version but as we previously stated, VSR is intended as consumer grade quality speech recognition software and that's one reason why it's free. It isn't designed for professional use and this becomes clearer when reading longer dictations. VSR does better with bigrams and trigrams (phrases with 2 or 3 words on either side of a word) but falls a bit short of the mark with longer dictations of 9 words or more where DNS utilizes quadgrams which are not available in VSR. When it comes to the medical profession, attempting to use VSR would be equivalent to a professional mechanic purchasing knuckle busting tools at Kmart. However, we do include a 30 day no restock fee customer satisfaction guarantee on everything we sell; including software, so there is no financial risk. Besides being the #1 vendor of DNS Pro we also host the most popular NaturallySpeaking support forum at KnowBrainer Speech Recognition Forums .

Aside from the previous information, everything is going to be kicked up a notch from the NaturallySpeaking side in early September when DNS 10 is released. You can find out more Ver. 10 information where new groundbreaking speech recognition technologies are frequently mentioned 1st, on the KnowBrainer NaturallySpeaking Forum. Within the next few weeks we will also be posting our DNS review on the KnowBrainer forums.

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soconfused replied on Mon, Jul 28 2008 5:39 PM

Here is something to try for those interested and who use virutal mahcines like VMWare. Run Dragon on one machine and WSR on the other and start dictating. The transcription will be recorded on both simultaneously. Great way to try which works best for you.

 

I could not tell the difference in accuracy.

 

 

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mmarkoe replied on Mon, Jul 28 2008 7:38 PM

soconfused:
Here is something to try for those interested and who use virutal mahcines like VMWare. Run Dragon on one machine and WSR on the other and start dictating. The transcription will be recorded on both simultaneously. Great way to try which works best for you.I could not tell the difference in accuracy.

Great test. Not surprised by the results.

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Brendon replied on Mon, Jul 28 2008 10:12 PM

I believe that over time given Microsoft History they will have a viable solution for Speech Recognition and they are getting closer already.  Microsoft will have it.  I think that it works now, but Dragon is better for now because it has a big head start and large user base.

Brendon Holt President http://www.holtsystems.com eMedRec Medical Records Made Friendly "If it wasn't for that last minute I would never get anything done."
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KnowBrainer replied on Tue, Jul 29 2008 8:44 AM

I could not tell the difference in accuracy.


Would you mind telling us which NaturallySpeaking product you compared and under what situation? The reason why we ask is because most of our test subjects found VSR to be fairly accurate with short non-medical dictations but when comparing NaturallySpeaking Medical 9 in a typical medical dictation setting, all of our test subjects received notably less than stellar results with VSR.

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digital-doc replied on Tue, Jul 29 2008 9:31 AM

soconfused:

Here is something to try for those interested and who use virutal mahcines like VMWare. Run Dragon on one machine and WSR on the other and start dictating. The transcription will be recorded on both simultaneously. Great way to try which works best for you.

 

I could not tell the difference in accuracy.

 

 

Are you comparing DNS Medical version to the native version of Vista VR?

 

Chris Wilkerson, D.C.
Carson Doctors Group
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