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Fox Tracking H1N1: Dr. Kent Holtorf "Vaccine is more deadly than Swine Flu"

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Nick Harrington Posted: Sat, Sep 26 2009 1:28 PM

This Doctor wouldn't give the H1N1 vaccine to his kids. Doctors, would you?

 

See what a London Doctor is posting about Swine Flu here.

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A couple comments...

1) This seems to be about a month old. The number of injections is one, not two.

2) The safety is better established with additonal trials being completed.

3) The previous 3 doctors said they would absolutely give it to their kids, yet you show the 1 who doesn't.

4) I'll be giving to my kids.  People under 25 have the highest infection rates,

5) The CDC statistics for the last several weeks are getting scary on this... Flu is way way way over historical levels for August and September, and once we get into the typical flu months this could get out of control quickly.

5504.Flu season slide.pdf

 

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DrK replied on Mon, Sep 28 2009 11:33 AM

Same here. I will be giving it to my kids for sure. The evidence is overwhelming about doing this.

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elidan replied on Mon, Sep 28 2009 4:11 PM

reddybiggs:

The CDC statistics for the last several weeks are getting scary on this...

I don't know... how much of the increase in visits is due to just H1N1 induced panic?

The document doesn't say what percentages were actually diagnosed with Influenza...

Are there other numbers out there?

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DrMurdoch replied on Mon, Sep 28 2009 7:02 PM

reddybiggs:

this could get out of control quickly.

It could.  But it's not likely.

 

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No, this is not a panic response.  The definition for "influenza like illness" is well-defined and the reporting centers are specifically trained for biosurveillance.

The testing for H1N1 lags behind by several weeks, however virtually all of the cases within the last few weeks have been H1N1. And all of the deaths in the last few months were from H1N1.

 

 

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DrMurdoch:

reddybiggs:

this could get out of control quickly.

It could.  But it's not likely.

The Centers for Disease Control has a different opinion than you. At their Web conference last week I would say they are very concerned.

 

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gchiu replied on Mon, Sep 28 2009 9:09 PM

Shouldn't this thread be in the watercooler forum?

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gchiu:

Shouldn't this thread be in the watercooler forum?

Dunno... 

Run it by Nick and see what he says.

 

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gchiu replied on Mon, Sep 28 2009 9:38 PM

He's the one who started it in the wrong forum!

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Ducknet replied on Tue, Sep 29 2009 12:37 AM

A little off topic, but the AMA just updated the CPT Codes for H1N1 - one for nasal and one for regular, posted at the blog.

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reddybiggs replied on Tue, Sep 29 2009 12:55 AM

Yes......, but:

 

Most payors won't be paying for the H1N1 vaccine, since the provider will have obtained it for free from the government. They will pay only for the administration and counseling.

 

....AND....

 

the CMS  aka 'We don't need no stinking AMA to create codes" Medicare, in its infinite wisdom, has its own code for H1N1.

Medicare will be using G9141 for the administration and counseling, and G9142 for the vaccine.

 

http://www.cms.hhs.gov/MLNMattersArticles/downloads/se0920.pdf

 

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reddybiggs replied on Tue, Sep 29 2009 11:16 PM

I just pulled up the latest regional ILI tracking for us in Texas.

For Week        Total ILI       % of visits at tracking centers

36                    874            4.61%

37                  1524           7.80%

 

Essentially this has almost doubled in 1 week, and the assays are all H1N1.

 

The very PEAK of the flu season last year was in week 06

06                  1717            7.06%

 

We have another 21 weeks to get to week 06, yet the numbers are almost as bad for these numbers that ended on September 19.

It will be interesting to see if this trend continues to go up.

http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/idcu/disease/influenza/surveillance/2009/CurrentFlu.pdf

 

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dgloveremr replied on Tue, Sep 29 2009 11:24 PM

Ducknet:

A little off topic, but the AMA just updated the CPT Codes for H1N1 - one for nasal and one for regular, posted at the blog.

I took a look at your blog

Wow

Thats impressive

Must be a lot of work generating so much advertising !

Good job

 

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DrMurdoch replied on Wed, Sep 30 2009 9:06 AM

reddybiggs:

The Centers for Disease Control has a different opinion than you. At their Web conference last week I would say they are very concerned.

The CDC has to do disaster planning.

That's their job.

It's easier to overreact and say "phew" than to apologize for not overreacting.

Only time will tell.

 

 

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